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It’s Recommendation Week! In On Second Thought, we’ll revisit questions from the archives and dig into how a lot has modified since Slate started giving recommendation in 1997—and the way a lot hasn’t. Learn all tales right here.

For at the moment’s version, we dug by way of Slate’s archives and unearthed questions despatched to Prudie from the 2010s. We’ve requested at the moment’s columnists to weigh in with modern-day sensibilities.

Expensive Prudence,

Final week I instructed my girlfriend that my regular tactic for coping with recliners on airplanes is to simply put my knees up towards the seat till the particular person stops making an attempt to recline. I worth the house in entrance far more than different individuals do, and nearly by no means recline my seat. She instructed me that if she noticed me doing that whereas I used to be sitting along with her on a flight, that she would report me to the flight attendant! Clearly the state of affairs is the fault of the airways, however is it actually so impolite to simply as silently say, “No, I don’t need you to recline” to somebody who’s virtually placing their seat in my face with out asking?

—Reclining Seat Etiquette

Unique Response:

When the story broke concerning the aircraft that needed to be diverted as a result of a battle broke out over a reclining seat (and the brand new tales since then!), I simply felt grateful I by no means precipitated a aircraft to land someplace apart from its vacation spot. I as soon as received in a problem on a 15-hour flight with the particular person in entrance of me who refused to place her seat up so I might eat (the flight attendant intervened), however I’m not happy with my knee-banging response. After that episode, I promised my husband and daughter I’d reform. I did, and now I simply take it. Sure, certainly it’s the airline’s fault. While you actually can not attain the ground to get your purse to retrieve your glasses, tempers are going to flare. However the airways are solely going to cram us in tighter, so the one resolution, when you end up together with your circulation lower off on the waist, is to very politely ask the particular person in entrance of you if she or he would thoughts placing the seat up only a notch or two to provide you slightly extra room. If the particular person would thoughts, then you definately endure it. Nonetheless, these hassles are for the 2 events to work out. Certain, your girlfriend might inform you you’re being a jerk. However let’s hope she by no means has you hauled off the aircraft in handcuffs.

From: Expensive Prudence (Sept. 2, 2014)

Recommendation From the Future:

Expensive Seat Etiquette,

Sigh, this jogs my memory of the period when Twitter was much less junky and we used to waste our lives having raging debates with strangers. It was enjoyable. And airline seat-reclining was a daily subject. Then and now, two issues are true: 1) It’s each passenger’s proper to lean again. 2) Form individuals who should not have an actual bodily want (one thing extra severe than “I’m not cozy”) simply don’t do it, as a result of we all know it makes the flight hell for the particular person behind us. It’s a type of issues that makes for an attention-grabbing recommendation column subject since you are completely, one hundred pc allowed to do it, however it additionally makes you a jerk.

Personally, I don’t recline, but when the particular person in entrance of me does, I’d completely by no means contain a flight attendant or bang the again of the seat with my knees. As a result of, once more, the passenger leaning is doing what they’re allowed to do. My strategy is to sigh closely, complain to whoever I’m touring with, and embrace the break that comes with not having sufficient room to kind on my laptop computer. I’ve additionally tried tapping the particular person in entrance of me and saying “My drink is on my tray desk. Are you able to give me a warning in case you resolve to recline so it doesn’t spill?” (Subliminal message: I’m a human and I’m again right here!)

However wait, I missed the true situation. Your girlfriend would think about reporting you to the flight attendant? Affordable individuals can disagree on whether or not placing your knees up towards the seat is okay. (I imply, are your knees just about the place they already have been? In that case, it could actually’t actually be seen as an act of aggression. For those who’re stretching and contorting your self to maintain the seat in place, that could be going too far, although.) However you actually need to query whether or not you’ve got something approaching a loving reference to somebody whose response to a disagreement with you is to start out fantasizing about calling the authorities.


Expensive Prudence,

I typically take the practice in my metropolis straight from work to satisfy for a drink with mates or go on a date. Since I often don’t have time to go house, I exploit the commute to primp, reapplying lipstick or mascara or swapping equipment. I’ve been doing this for a few years with out remark, however within the final week two separate individuals (strangers) have commented that they discover this apply inappropriate. What do you assume?

—Subway Primping

Unique Response:

I don’t know if I’m extra stunned that your viewers has been silent for the previous couple of years, or that the season ticket holders have lastly determined to start out talking up. I at all times discover individuals such as you, who assume they’re engaged in a bit of efficiency artwork titled “It Might Look Like I’m on Public Transportation, However Really I’m in My Rest room Primping for a Date” extra entertaining than appalling. However let’s face it, there are others who’re going to be moved to remind you that you’re engaged in non-public actions they’d reasonably not be witness to. I’ll wager something that your workplace comes outfitted with a rest room. So earlier than you set out to your date, make a pit cease there to remodel your self, and arrive on the practice already dolled up.

From: Expensive Prudence (June 21, 2010)

Recommendation From the Future:

Expensive Primping,

Wait a minute. What precisely about making use of lip gloss or popping a pair of earrings on is “a non-public exercise”? Have I missed one thing? Do you disguise in a dressing room if you need to check out make-up samples at Sephora? Do you ask individuals to avert their eyes in case you’re jewellery purchasing and need to see how a hoop suits? No, you don’t. As a result of this stuff aren’t really “non-public.” I’m conscious that public primping is frowned upon in some quarters, however it actually appears like that view ought to have died across the time girls have been first allowed to put on pants—and undoubtedly in some unspecified time in the future earlier than 2010, when this response was written. With all due respect to Earlier Prudie, it’s not useful to simply settle for historic guidelines of etiquette with out interrogating whether or not they make any sense or asking the extra necessary query underlying so many recommendation column responses: Is the conduct in query harming anybody? Right here, my intestine feeling is that it’s not.

Poking across the web to get a way of whether or not others thought primping on the practice was price yelling at a stranger over, I did be taught that MTA riders have been subjected to anti-grooming advertisements as lately as 2016. That PSA, and a Vox article revealed two years afterward what have been apparently the “many, many controversies over grooming on the subway,” particularly talked about nail clipping. This made me notice that grooming is a broad class, and we have to break it down slightly if we’re going to have an affordable rule. So right here’s my declaration:

You shouldn’t carry out grooming in public that’s:

1) disgusting (that is subjective, however let’s say it covers exposing individuals to the type of bodily fluids that we don’t usually see and that might make them squeamish—so don’t squeeze pimples or clear out your ear wax)

2) includes heavy scents that might give individuals complications (so most shaving cream might be out, and don’t use fragrance or hair spray or polish your nails)

3) provides your fellow passengers purpose to worry that some small, gross bodily particle might go flying throughout the aisle and land on them or in a standard space (so no fingernail clipping, dandruff removing, or flossing)

Anything: Making use of a full face full with basis, concealer, blush, and faux eyelashes, placing earrings on, or trying within the mirror to fluff your bangs, is ok. It’s not “a bit of efficiency artwork,” it’s life. And it’s price mentioning that it’s life extra for some individuals than others. This doesn’t appear to use to you, however as a commuter quoted within the Vox article famous, “Public transit is for the general public, however additionally it is for the working public … If somebody has to reside an hour or extra away from their work as a result of housing just isn’t inexpensive, then how do they do make-up within the time as somebody who can get into their automobile and drive quarter-hour to work?”

I perceive that you just’re merely making an attempt to look good for blissful hour. However I nonetheless assume what you’re doing is ok. If anybody complains, say “Sorry, I can’t hear you over the youngsters yelling, the man loud night breathing, the a number of individuals coughing, the freelance preacher making an attempt to save lots of our souls, and the dancers doing literal flips within the aisle! However I’m fairly positive no matter you’re involved about isn’t essentially the most disruptive factor taking place on this practice.”


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Expensive Prudence,

A few 12 months in the past, I heard from my past love for the primary time in a few years. Now we chat each month or so, primarily about our households and lately his job search. It’s informal and pleasant. The issue is that I’ve vivid goals, and as hokey because it sounds, they’re generally prophetic. I discuss this solely with my husband and sister as a result of it appears bizarre. The opposite night time, I had a horrific dream about my past love. He was in a setting like Iraq, surrounded by mates from faculty. I used to be being proven graphic footage of him—one was of his head exploding in a automobile. The subsequent morning, he referred to as to inform me he had a job supply that took place by way of a suggestion from a university pal. The job is working safety in Iraq. I’m very upset and may’t shake the sensation that this dream got here to me in order that I might warn him. However how can I share such a sickening dream with somebody who has been supplied a job after months of unemployment?

—The Grim Dreamer

Unique Response:

Initially, I don’t imagine on this stuff—besides I admit that I type of do, as a result of my sister has goals like yours. For instance, years in the past we have been assembly for a trip in Los Angeles. The night time earlier than, my sister dreamed she was trying within the mirror and had an terrible haircut—her hair was lengthy within the again however so brief in entrance that it regarded shaved. Within the dream, as she gazed at herself unhappily, her eyes rolled to the again of her head. The subsequent day we met up, ran round L.A., and had a good time. The next morning over breakfast, she had a large stroke—she was 30 years previous. After mind surgical procedure, she ended up along with her head shaved in entrance however her hair intact within the again—the neurosurgeon mentioned that earlier than she was clipped, a nurse braided my sister’s lengthy, blond hair out of the best way so she wouldn’t get up utterly bald.

So I’m not dismissing your dream, however I do have some caveats about it. In case your pal had labored in safety, or if he had been speaking about the potential for a safety job abroad, then Iraq could be a logical vacation spot, and your unconscious was merely fearful for him. In case your pal had been, say, an insurance coverage adjuster, and the final time you two talked, he had no job prospects, then I’m keen to be labeled a woo-woo and say your dream is actually spooky. I talked to my sister about this, and he or she felt that you must inform him. For those who do, you can preface it by explaining that you just really feel uncomfortable crossing this boundary, however you’re involved about him taking the job as a result of earlier than he referred to as, you dreamed he was in a life-threatening state of affairs in Iraq. I additionally talked to my whole skeptic of a husband, and he mentioned you must shut up—that mentioning the dream will uselessly alarm your pal and put an aura of dying over a reside profession prospect. I’m leaning towards my husband’s view on this, however I perceive in case you really feel compelled to say one thing.

From: Expensive Prudence (April 15, 2010)

Recommendation From the Future:

Expensive Grim,

I largely agree with the “I don’t imagine it however I do kinda imagine it, and likewise I do know you may explode in case you needed to maintain this in” theme of the unique response. However I feel the easiest way to resolve whether or not to talk up is to do some detective work about whether or not your past love would need to know. (You didn’t ask for recommendation on this half, however because you’re married to another person, let’s simply name him your “pal” going ahead as a reminder of his new place in your life, because you’re married to another person now!) Because you discuss so much, it shouldn’t be too onerous. You simply want to inform a captivating story about your earlier prophecies after which say one thing like “I do know it sounds slightly bizarre. I’m making an attempt to determine if I ought to inform individuals if I foresee one thing destructive taking place to them. Would that be too scary? Or would they need to know. What do you assume?” If he appears impressed by your instinct and says you’ve got an obligation to report your predictions, ask if he’s sitting down and inform him what it is advisable to inform him. If he says “No approach, it’s not actual and also you’ll simply freak individuals out,” hold it to your self.


Expensive Prudence:

I’m lucky to have a job I really like in these troubling instances. I get alongside effectively with all of my co-workers, with just one actual drawback. My supervisor now has stars in her eyes each time she sees me. I occur to have a well-known cousin and he or she has came upon about this. There’s a robust household resemblance and if somebody notices I’m not shy about mentioning my well-known cousin. However this time, I want I had saved my mouth shut. She now considers me her inside scoop and is continually asking about every little thing. I can’t say it disrupts my work as a result of it actually doesn’t, however I discover myself working away from the workplace on my breaks as a result of I do know she will probably be proper with me begging for information. How do I shut this down? She hasn’t breached any workplace guidelines or insurance policies so I can’t justify going up the chain of command, however I can’t simply hold working away (fuel is simply too costly!) each time break rolls round. For the file, I’ve tried every little thing wanting being impolite to her.

—Star-Struck Supervisor

Unique Response:

Inform her that you just and your cousin usually are not shut and out of your conversations with the boss, it’s clear she is aware of extra about your cousin than you do. Say that you just don’t observe your cousin’s actions or learn movie star information, so you can’t add something to the boss’s retailer of information. Then when she continues to bug you on break say, “Alexis, as I’ve mentioned, in case you learn Us journal, greater than I do. Excuse me, I’m utilizing this free time to compensate for the Economist.”

Recommendation From the Future:

Expensive Star-Struck,

I co-sign the unique response and can add that in 2024, it’s much more doubtless that this celeb has a strong Instagram or TikTok presence, so your coworker ought to be capable of fulfill her curiosity with out chasing you down on the espresso machine. Additionally, your rule about mentioning your well-known cousins needs to be that you just do it about as typically as you point out some other cousin by identify, which is to say, very not often!


Extra Prudie From the 2010s

I took an at-home DNA check three years in the past and cherished it—I realized extra about my household historical past and a few potential well being points. I eagerly instructed to my husband that he take it as effectively. He simply took it and discovered he has two half-sisters he by no means knew about. After two days of denying it, his mother and father lastly confessed that he was born by way of an egg donor and his mom isn’t his organic mom. He’s completely distraught.